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HTML help

Date: 2014-10-01 08:50 pm (UTC)
dialecticdreamer: My work (Default)
From: [personal profile] dialecticdreamer
The recent thumb drive debacle has wiped out some sample webpages (free to use, CC license) that I could've used to set up my own site. Does anyone have a /good/ suggestion for where to find new examples? Just typing "free webpage" is overwhelming.

Re: HTML help

Date: 2014-10-01 10:25 pm (UTC)
dialecticdreamer: My work (Default)
From: [personal profile] dialecticdreamer
Thanks for the boost. I actually /miss/ a Google product right now: Google Sites. It had /enough/ support and "training wheels" to let me actually /create/ something while slowly learning enough HTML to understand what was behind it. DW is similar, but it doesn't suit everything I need to do with the Heliodrax world in particular.

Re: HTML help

Date: 2014-10-01 11:02 pm (UTC)
ellenmillion: (Default)
From: [personal profile] ellenmillion
I've heard decent things about Weebly's web builder for making drag-and-drop sites, but have no personal experience with them.

You might try refining your search, too - I popped up some good examples using "free website templates html"

For building your code from scratch, I highly recommend http://www.w3schools.com/default.asp - step by step from the very beginnings, but they cover nearly every topic you'll encounter: I still use it as a resource for advanced php code questions, too.

Re: HTML help

Date: 2014-10-01 11:07 pm (UTC)
dialecticdreamer: My work (Default)
From: [personal profile] dialecticdreamer
Thanks so much for the suggestion of Weebly's. I've got the w3schools bookmarked, and I've needed it just to be able to do HTML links in my posts here. Seriously, I misplace commas and spaces all the time, so coding and I are not natural partners. I've been working on learning how to set up italics and have them /work/. Hence the /marks/ instead.

Re: HTML help

Date: 2014-10-01 11:32 pm (UTC)
ellenmillion: (Default)
From: [personal profile] ellenmillion
What kind of site are you looking to put together? I half-shudder to suggest it, but Wordpress is pretty easy to work with no coding.

Re: HTML help

Date: 2014-10-02 12:00 am (UTC)
dialecticdreamer: My work (Default)
From: [personal profile] dialecticdreamer
Very, very eventually, a full index like your "Torn World" for a different shared universe. But since my HTML experience is rapidly becoming "turn my hair gray" experience, it's probably not going to happen soon (my original planned start has blown past the calendar with barely a nod!)or with anything more than a simple index at first.

What's the down side to Wordpress?

Re: HTML help

Date: 2014-10-02 01:27 am (UTC)
peoriapeoriawhereart: Steve in khaki, Peggy foreground (Behind Woman)
From: [personal profile] peoriapeoriawhereart
my understanding is css is the way to go, though I admit I've ignored my website mostly since AO3.

Re: HTML help

Date: 2014-10-02 04:25 pm (UTC)
ellenmillion: (Default)
From: [personal profile] ellenmillion
I will echo mdlbear's advice from below - use a color coding text editor! It shows you where your various bits of code close. I use Crimson Editor, but I'm not sure it's supported anymore.

If I were in a different spot right now, I would happily talk about trading services for a basic site like Torn World... but I do not see a break in my schedule before January. Ask me then?

Re: HTML help

Date: 2014-10-02 04:52 pm (UTC)
dialecticdreamer: My work (Default)
From: [personal profile] dialecticdreamer

If I can manage to get a basic "hello world" to work before then on w3school, I will be /proud to burst buttons/.... but I don't expect it. January sounds perfectly reasonable, given /that/ level of fluency on my side!

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Date: 2014-10-02 03:14 am (UTC)
mdlbear: blue fractal bear with text "since 2002" (Default)
From: [personal profile] mdlbear
I strongly recommend using a text editor that uses color to highlight the different syntactic elements of HTML. They're more common in the programming world, but they let you edit HTML directly and have it readable in that form. (I use emacs, but that's a matter of religious preference among programmers.)

For previewing my web pages, I just open them in a browser. You can do this at the same time as you're editing, and just refresh the page every so often to see what it looks like.

Another trick you can use on most web pages is "view source", usually bound to CTRL-U (at least in Firefox and Chrome). This shows you the HTML behind the page you're looking at. Feel free to snag ideas from http://steve.savitzky.net/ and http://stephen.savitzky.net/ or any of my other sites.

Re: Wow!

Date: 2014-10-02 03:42 am (UTC)
mdlbear: blue fractal bear with text "since 2002" (Default)
From: [personal profile] mdlbear
You're welcome!

View source on any of my web pages will show you pretty much what it looks like when I'm editing. It's not just the color; I use indentation to make things more readable, and my editor (being designed for programming) uses automatic line wrapping (just like my old electric typewriter) to limit the line length. That not only makes the source more readable, but makes it easier to compare versions.

Re: Wow!

Date: 2014-10-02 02:11 pm (UTC)
mdlbear: blue fractal bear with text "since 2002" (Default)
From: [personal profile] mdlbear
In most editors, emacs included, you can tweak not only colors but font attributes. So elements that are supposed to be italicized show as italics, but *still monospaced* (which again makes them easier to read and edit).

You might give emacs a try -- it's completely cross-platform, and when it starts up it shows you links to its interactive tutorial and built-in documentation (in hypertext, that predates HTML by a decade or two).

If you prefer text to HTML, emacs also has text modes that give you things like quote and parenthesis matching. And of course it's fully programmable -- I use it to post to Dreamwidth using a plug-in called lj-update.

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Date: 2014-10-02 04:46 am (UTC)
alexseanchai: Katsuki Yuuri wearing a blue jacket and his glasses and holding a poodle, in front of the asexual pride flag with a rainbow heart inset. (Default)
From: [personal profile] alexseanchai
I need a kick in the pants to get moving again on my work as [personal profile] ardenford. Encouraging-like.

(Also as [personal profile] arielconall but honestly I expect the Arden work to pay better than the Ariel work, which is something of a concern at the moment—one of my courses bait-and-switched us and, while I suppose I could rent the films that are required viewing that we weren't told about beforehand, why in hell should I pay $3 to rent something I could own for $10?)

I think what I want is an honest positive opinion of the story's quality and an honest desire to see more of the story. I am not clear on what would be fair compensation for time taken to read the draft and formulate an honest opinion, and it's not ethical to buy a positive opinion, but surely there's a way to make everybody happy here. (I distinguish here between opinionating on the draft as a reader and opinionating on the draft as an editor. I plan to pay [personal profile] ysabetwordsmith for the latter. Y'know. Once the story's done.)

FYI everything I'll publish under the Arden name will be or at least contain erotica, probably queer erotica (the piece in progress certainly is). The Ariel name is for children's books, but I think what I have written on the piece in progress as Ariel needs to be reworked from the ground up.

Re: Hmm...

Date: 2014-10-02 05:37 am (UTC)
alexseanchai: Katsuki Yuuri wearing a blue jacket and his glasses and holding a poodle, in front of the asexual pride flag with a rainbow heart inset. (Default)
From: [personal profile] alexseanchai
*nod* Thanks

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